# Jos A Bank Reviews



## archon

I am curious what the general opinion is on JAB among forum members. I had a bad experience a few years ago and have been reluctant to go back until very recently.

To sum it up, a few years ago, I purchased some pants online and had them shipped to the store for alternations. The fabric, despite being the signature line, was in my opinion poor and the store tailor, after three tries, still got the hems wrong. Finally, after getting them home I wore them a few times, but the wool was so course and itchy I could barely tolerate it and throughout the course of the day it became apparent that their construction was also poor. They were so loose and baggy around the hips it made me look 15 pounds heavier and the rise (despite being the short rise) needed to come up about another 2 inches. I took them back to the store and tried to return them and got into a fight with the manager. He ended up taking back the pants, but refused to refund the alteration fees. I left less than happy.

But now I was just recently promoted to upper-middle management and need to upgrade my suit collection. I went back to another JAB and had a positive experience inspecting their signature gold line, although I didn't purchase anything. It was certainly hard to beat their prices and the suits fit very well off the rack and would only need some minor alterations.

What is the general opinion out there? I have some disposable cash but I can't go crazy? Should I induldge or stay away? I would also be interested in opinions on their travellers line of clothing as my new job involves a lot of time on trains.

Thanks for your help.


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## TBOWES

Great value if you ask me. I however have a great salesperson.


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## Preu Pummel

I've only ordered online, but ordered 5 suits through them during the past 9 months. The pants were tailored by them perfectly. Very happy with the service.

Ask for specifics, ask for a receipt marking the alterations, and hold them to it. That incident might have been a particular store/tailor, and possibly an old regime. If shy, try one suit first. Their prices are pretty impressive.


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## archon

TBOWES said:


> Great value if you ask me. I however have a great salesperson.


Since you are from PA, any chance you might be from around the Philly area and could give me a name and location?


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## videocrew

They get a bad rap around here from the people who want you to spend $1200 on a suit to not buy crap. I disagree.

I have 2 suits from the Signature line and one from the Executive. I like them! Great value, fit me well, seem pretty durable and look great. I'm in law school, nobody expects me to be wearing a bespoke suit, and I think they work well.


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## rgc

Would I like to be able to afford Oxxford or other bespoke suits, yes. Can I afford it, no. That said with in the last month I picke up two Executive line suits for under $100 each. Just can't argue with that at my budget level. 

However, I really love it when Dillard's does a red tag sale at 50% off all ready reduced sale suits. I have my eye on a HSM Gold Trumpeter that will run me less then $200 out the door.


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## 12345Michael54321

JAB's Signature/Signature Gold line suits are okay. They're not $1000 suits, no. But they're not bad, and during one of JAB's genuinely good sales (as opposed to JAB's much more frequent faux sales), they're quite reasonably priced. I mean, $149 for a Signature suit? Sweet deal. (Although many of the most attractively priced suits are in colors and patterns that simply don't appeal to me. No, not every suit has to be solid grey, solid navy, or navy pinstripe. But brown with green and blue plaid just isn't something I want all that much.)

Enough of the local JAB salespeople are tolerably competent and polite that I can usually find an acceptable one. And the JAB tailor who altered my suit last year did a perfectly fine job.

That having been said, I can buy a Baroni for $250, delivered to my door. So if the price of a JAB suit edges much above $200, I'd rather get the Baroni.

But at least during the good sales (one of which was underway just the other day), I'd definitely steer someone toward JAB, before I'd send him to Men's Warehouse.


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## gng8

I like their shirts (as does Consumer Reports). Personally I wouldn't own one of their suits.


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## gEEk

I own a Sig Gold sportcoat (50% wool / 41% mohair / 9% cashmere) I snagged for $99, as well as two silk sportcoats from the Sig line I got for $79. Bought them all off the JAB Internet site; had them all tailored at the local JAB store. Very happy with the quality, price, and tailoring.

I also picked up several Signature merino wool sweaters for $29 each during a holiday sale. Very happy with the quality and price. Same good experience with several shirts I bought from them.

Didn't like their cotton twill trousers. Very hard to get a good fit for some reason. Ironically, I bought them from the store rather than the Internet. I've had much better luck in that department with Lands' End.


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## SkySov

If you are going in store to buy the suits ask for the online price. I read here that works. Never tried it. The only time I went into a JAB they were selling stuff twice as much as online and I didn't know to ask. And because JAB has free shipping I don't really care. I would rather use the tailor I go to for alterations even if it's simple tweaks.


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## Flanderian

I have been a JAB customer for over 30 years. Obviously they offer little comparison to what they once were, so I won't bore everyone with that issue. Instead I'll focus on the last 10 years. Over that period of time, I've seen a fairly steady decline in both the quality of merchandise and the aesthetic of what they choose to sell. HOWEVER, they offer a very large selection of merchandise, and among it are some handsome items and excellent values. I'd characterize it as hit or miss, and I'd be very reluctant to pay full retail for any of their products since I feel they are over-priced at that price. Their catalog and Internet shopping offer more appropriate pricing. I have no interest in every going near one of their stores. 

Originally, their Signature line was quite appealing. When they introduced Signature Gold, it became less so. Why raise the bridge if you can lower the river? The fabrics across all lines of tailored clothing have become increasing funny looking as they have switched from conventional mills to OSJ mills that haven't a clue concerning Western tastes. I too returned a pair of Signature slacks that were allegedly gabardine, but were instead some tissue paper like substance that looked nothing like any gabardine with which I was familiar. Similarly, I ordered what were supposedly covert twill slacks from their signature line, and received slacks made from some loosely spun and woven twill that had only a passing similarity to proper covert twill. Perhaps 10 years ago I got some quite decent corduroy slacks made from pretty decent corduroy, with a soft dense nap. My last pair was course and not acceptable.

Frankly, I'm surprised your slacks were too large, as my experience has been as all the production has shifted to Asian manufacture, it has gotten generally skimpier not larger. It sounds to me like it very well may have been mis-sized.

I see I'm rambling, so I'll conclude. I might buy shirts from them, I might even consider trying another pair of slacks, but I seriously doubt I'd consider a jacket or suit, irrespective of price. Congratulations on your promotion! If you can muster the resources, I'd go to Brooks and invest in a bit better quality to build a wardrobe with.


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## 12345Michael54321

Flanderian said:


> Instead I'll focus on the last 10 years. Over that period of time, I've seen a fairly steady decline in both the quality of merchandise and the aesthetic of what they choose to sell.


Agreed. And yet, those same 10 years coincide with JAB's period of strongest business growth and greatest profitability.

Sad, what this says about the consumer.

In the early 1980s, JAB had all of 11 stores. It was at this time that the Bank family sold the company to Quaker Oats. And a few years later, Quaker Oats sold JAB.

By the early 1990s, JAB was poised on the brink of bankruptcy. Senior executives were fleeing the company. Hundreds of lower level employees had to be let go. It was deeply in debt. In short, things weren't looking good at all.

So the company called in a crisis management team (The Finley Company). The Finley of The Finley Company - Timothy Finley - put 3 years of his time into saving JAB. To do this, he had the company re-focus in various ways, go more mainstream and less upscale, advertise very aggressively, hire a company President (Henry Schwartz) who firmly believed that lower prices, frequent sales, and contemporary styling were the keys to success in the clothing industry, etc.

In short, Timothy Finley is the man responsible for turning JAB into a pale shadow of what it once was. But if he hadn't done it, JAB would likely have gone out of business back in the '90s.

So, this takes us to the past 10 years. During which time JAB has expanded to over 400 stores (as opposed to 11 stores, back when it was still the JAB we knew and loved). Today, total net sales are strong, shareholders are happy, there's continued growth, the company's developed a national reputation and good name recognition, etc.

The old JAB couldn't survive. So it changed, and the new JAB has managed to thrive. Considering how many businesses fail to make necessary changes, and wind up going out of business, JAB deserves credit for what it's done.

Well, just a thought.


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## DocHolliday

Very interesting, 12345Michael. Thanks for posting that.

While I understand the appeal of Bank's affordable (sale) prices, it's pretty easy to find much nicer clothes at comparable prices, if you're willing to look and aren't a terribly unusual size.


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## Flanderian

12345Michael54321 said:


> The old JAB couldn't survive. So it changed, and the new JAB has managed to thrive. Considering how many businesses fail to make necessary changes, and wind up going out of business, JAB deserves credit for what it's done.


There are always customers for Schlokcmeister and Botcher, if that's how one wants to make a living. "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." (HL Mencken) Another fine gentleman from Baltimore.

I reject the idea that the only way a business can survive is by selling junk. Could it be more profitable? Possibly in the short term. But it sure is easier. Brooks, though far from perfect, is doing it another way.


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## Preu Pummel

Flanderian said:


> I reject the idea that the only way a business can survive is by selling junk.


Junk implies useless articles.
JAB definitely doesn't sell junk.

The descriptive needs rethinking.

Their suits are useful, but for a budget. You probably wouldn't find a brahmin covered in their suits.


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## SkySov

JAB sig golds can be as low as $250. Show me a suit comparable to it for that price. Now of course you have to be patient with their rotating sales to get the good price. In every thread about cheap suits there is always someone who says if you look around you can get good stuff cheap. But I have never seen such a thing

Yes, you can get good stuff at great discounts. You can get a $2,500 Isaia suit for $1,000. You can get a $1,600 BB suit for $900. But where can you go to get a decent $250 suit? Only department stores. And they are double crap compared to JAB just being crap.


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## Preu Pummel

SkySov said:


> In every thread about cheap suits there is always someone who says if you look around you can get good stuff cheap. But I have never seen such a thing.


I wanted to ask DocHoliday for tangible links, too.
Anyone can fling out some claim. Watch this...

I ALWAYS FIND EXPENSIVE, HAND MADE SUITS ONSALE FOR $10.
ALWAYS.

See?

Also, every time I have looked at low end suits in department stores I have come across the same problem; seriously bad. They are usually on par with the $100 suits I got online 'from Italy'. Not worth it, and barely worth the $100 online. Thrash n' trash suits.


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## Flanderian

Preu Pummel said:


> Junk implies useless articles.
> JAB definitely doesn't sell junk.
> 
> The descriptive needs rethinking.
> 
> Their suits are useful, but for a budget. You probably wouldn't find a brahmin covered in their suits.


I am sorry, and you are correct. I'm sure probably all the items they sell are not entirely useless. Most just aren't as good as what they used to sell, or something I'd wish to buy at any price.

As I said in my intital post, I've bought quite a few pair of slacks there, and may try them again. And I must agree with another poster who said something to the effect of their shirts often being surprisingly good for the price. But I think only the discounted sale prices represent realistic pricing for JAB products.

And I'll concede this also, if you can only manage a $200 suit, you could probably not find a better one than one from JAB.


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## Apthorpe

Skysov, do you think JAB's Sig Gold is at all comparable to Southwick or BB's 1818 line? It may be the case that a suit worth wearing could not be sold for $250 (which is a pretty uncommon price for Sig Gold). When I first started working I bought all of my suits at the Bank, seduced by the price. In retrospect I wish I had spent a couple hundred dollars more on each to get a few decent suits. For another $100 you're in STP Southwick territory, for another $250 your choices include Samuelsohn or Hickey-Freeman from a discounter, if you can step it up to $600 you can get Corneliani on STP. The value on any of those suits is so much better than the $750 off Sig Gold. Frankly, I think Samuelsohn at full retail is a better deal than Sig Gold at $250. But I suppose opinions differ.

If the OP can swing it he should set his sights higher. Not on Belvest and Oxxford. But on any of the many, many, many other choices available.


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## DocHolliday

SkySov said:


> But where can you go to get a decent $250 suit? Only department stores. And they are double crap compared to JAB just being crap.


Polo Blue Label, Canali and Corneliani are all available regularly at larger Marshalls for $400-$500. And that's usually the starting price, before the inevitable markdowns. Blue Label stuff can be found, with some looking, for $150-$200. I've bought Purple Label at a Polo outlet for as little as $70 NWT, and picked up a NWT Blue Label three-piece for $13. And there's always the 'Bay. Bought a mainline Zegna in solid navy, NWT, for $500 not long ago, and in a desirable and difficult-to-find 38R.

Even if you want to avoid the outlets/eBay, good bargains can still be found. Last year, I guess it was, Brooks Brothers had Golden Fleece suits marked down to $500. There was a good selection of styles and sizes, and not just at my local store. Such sales aren't common, but they're not terribly unusual, either.

Beyond that, STP often has great deals, including Corneliani for less than $500. The bargains are out there if you're willing to look. Just bought a pair of suede AE Moras from Amazon last night for $78 and a new AE belt for $27.50.


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## DocHolliday

Preu Pummel said:


> IAlso, every time I have looked at low end suits in department stores I have come across the same problem; seriously bad. They are usually on par with the $100 suits I got online 'from Italy'. Not worth it, and barely worth the $100 online. Thrash n' trash suits.


I wouldn't even bother looking at most department stores. If you want to find the good stuff, you have to look at places that sell the good stuff, or at outlets and discounters that liquidate the remainders from the stores that sell the good stuff.


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## Apthorpe

DocHolliday said:


> Polo Blue Label, Canali and Corneliani are all available regularly at larger Marshalls for $400-$500.


Good to know.


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## SkySov

So here is what happened:

I asked where can you get a better $250 suit than the Sig Golds. Which are on a REAL sale right now for $250. 

And the replies all said that you can get better suits BY PAYING MORE.

No sh*t.


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## SkySov

There are bargains and sales and mark downs and clearances of good stuff for much less than most people pay. But if I had $250 and only $250 and not $500 but $250. Just $250. Then I would go to JAB.


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## DocHolliday

SkySov said:


> So here is what happened:
> 
> I asked where can you get a better $250 suit than the Sig Golds. Which are on a REAL sale right now for $250.
> 
> And the replies all said that you can get better suits BY PAYING MORE.
> 
> No sh*t.


Your rudeness is unwarranted and reflects poorly on you. You also apparently didn't read very closely, because my post specifically mentions that it's not hard to find Blue Label stuff for $150-$200. I also mentioned that many of the $400 prices are before markdown, and gave specific examples of items I'd bought for well less than $250.

Can you get a lot more by paying a little more? Yes. But you can also find nicer suits than Bank for the same amount. You, however, seem determined to not believe that, and so I can only say, wear your stuff in good health.


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## DocHolliday

SkySov said:


> There are bargains and sales and mark downs and clearances of good stuff for much less than most people pay. But if I had $250 and only $250 and not $500 but $250. Just $250. Then I would go to JAB.


And if your budget really restricts you to that, then Bank is an affordable option. But how many people can only afford a $250 suit, yet think nothing of stopping into Starbucks three times a week? Or pay $100 a month for cable TV? Or buy a $1,000 flat-screen TV because they're all the rage?

We all have our budgets, but there's also a question of priorities, too. Most guys who need more than one suit these days could, if they wanted, scrounge up an extra $150 without breaking the bank.


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## SkySov

DocHolliday said:


> Your rudeness is unwarranted and reflects poorly on you. You also apparently didn't read very closely, because my post specifically mentions that it's not hard to find Blue Label stuff for $150-$200. I also mentioned that many of the $400 prices are before markdown, and gave specific examples of items I'd bought for well less than $250.
> 
> Can you get a lot more by paying a little more? Yes. But you can also find nicer suits than Bank for the same amount. You, however, seem determined to not believe that, and so I can only say, wear your stuff in good health.


I cannot decide how you interpret my posts. And I never said you couldn't get a better suit for more money. That should be obvious. I don't know why I wouldn't want to believe there are good deals out there. Maybe I'm crazy. Thanks for helping me realize my shortcomings.


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## SkySov

DocHolliday said:


> And if your budget really restricts you to that, then Bank is an affordable option. But how many people can only afford a $250 suit, yet think nothing of stopping into Starbucks three times a week? Or pay $100 a month for cable TV? Or buy a $1,000 flat-screen TV because they're all the rage?
> 
> We all have our budgets, but there's also a question of priorities, too. Most guys who need more than one suit these days could, if they wanted, scrounge up an extra $150 without breaking the bank.


That's all true. But that extra $150 could buy a lot of cheese burgers. With some left over to buy bigger sized sweat pants. I think people should care more about their wardrobe and buy quality. But the t-shirt and jean crowd thinks different. I just brought up the $250 question as a point of discussion after reading how their quality decreased. I think quality should be compared at similar prices. And at that price JAB can be said to be of high quality than other choices.


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## DocHolliday

SkySov said:


> I cannot decide how you interpret my posts. And I never said you couldn't get a better suit for more money. That should be obvious. I don't know why I wouldn't want to believe there are good deals out there. Maybe I'm crazy. Thanks for helping me realize my shortcomings.


This post, particularly the first sentence, is eye rolling. I wasn't the one who asked a question, got a polite, legitimate response, and then resorted to rudeness. If you act in a juvenile fashion, you ought to expect to be called on it.

"Cannot decide how you interpret my posts." That's one for the books.


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## DocHolliday

SkySov said:


> That's all true. But that extra $150 could buy a lot of cheese burgers. With some left over to buy bigger sized sweat pants. I think people should care more about their wardrobe and buy quality. But the t-shirt and jean crowd thinks different. I just brought up the $250 question as a point of discussion after reading how their quality decreased. I think quality should be compared at similar prices. And at that price JAB can be said to be of high quality than other choices.


To save time, I'll cut and paste, though I must admit the tone is less pleasant than I'd normally use: I never said you couldn't get a worse suit for the same amount of money. That should be obvious. I don't know why I wouldn't want to believe there are bad deals out there. Maybe I'm crazy.

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## SkySov

The meaning of the post was not to be rude. Short and blunt. I don't know why you took offense. But you did. And I can't interpret or decide why.


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## DocHolliday

Perhaps you have no understanding of tone. So here's a tip: People are likely to be offended by posts that end with starred-out profanity. Particularly when that profanity implies they're failing to grasp an obvious concept.


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## SkySov

I don't know where you are taking this thread. But whatever. You win. Sorry I ruined your thread OP. Good luck getting suits for your new job. JAB probably shouldn't be your staples, but if you need them quick or some fillers they will most likely be alright.


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## ItalianGent

I get the sales flyers from them quite often in my email. I've often been tempted to try their clothing again, but about 10 years ago, I purchased one of their shirts from my local store here in Boston. I remember wearing it about 3 times, then sending it out to be donated to charity.

I'm not sure what it was - but the shirt never "felt" right when I wore it. I'm sure it had something to do with the general cut of the shirt. I haven't been back to them since then. It's unfortunate, but there's so much trial and error when it comes to finding not only your own personal style, but where you can get what your looking for at an acceptable quality. Over the years, I have been lucky enough to find a few brands and a few companies that work for me. In fact, there's an interesting statistic - how much money spent (and wasted) on clothing that doesn't work (style or quality) vs money spent on clothing and style that does work.


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## dfloyd

*Getting back to a review of JAB....*

I find that their Signature suits which are super 110s are more prone to wrinkles than their Executive line which are super 100s. The only line I really like is the Joseph which has side vents, pick stching, rayon lining, and a single pleat. It is more of an English cut and is more suitable to my taste. The Sig Gold is a full-cut suit more appropriate for the bulky. Having bought several Josephs and BB Regents, I find the JAB Joseph compares well with the BB Regent. The Joseph has working cuffs avaialalbe for about $35, where as working cuffs on the BB Regent are $100.


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## archon

The common wisdom on this subject seems to be "You get what you pay for."

I must admit that I went back to JAB last night to look around again. I had a very helpful salesman who looked bored to tears and jumped right up when I walked in. I ended up leaving with a 3 button black traveller's line blazer. It was only 99 bucks on clearance. It's a nice blazer; fit right off the rack with no need to alter. But also, it is nothing special. It is made of generic wool with basic construction and tailoring. It is not going to awe anyone, but at the same time I won't look like a hobo while wearing it.

I think that in general sums up JAB - it is nothing special. The prices are right, the quality is mainstream, but it won't bedazzle anyone.

I've wasted enough money on clothes that don't work right. I think instead of buying 3 gold sig suits, I will go get 1 BB 1818 suit.


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## TBOWES

I grew up in Philly, in Frankford. I now live in Blue Bell (Mont County). I go to the store in English Village on 309 in Mongomeryville. The guys name is Bob Martin. I spend a fair amount there and he takes care of me. I think He is the # 2 salesperson in the county.


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## TBOWES

archon said:


> Since you are from PA, any chance you might be from around the Philly area and could give me a name and location?


Read my other post - forgot to attach reply to your request


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## Diggy18

Preu Pummel said:


> Anyone can fling out some claim. Watch this...
> 
> I ALWAYS FIND EXPENSIVE, HAND MADE SUITS ONSALE FOR $10.
> ALWAYS.
> 
> See?


Hahah! That had me laugh out loud! Ahh that is funny, it is so true in many situations in life. Talk is cheap. Haha, the "always" part got me good.


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## Diggy18

dfloyd said:


> I find that their Signature suits which are super 110s are more prone to wrinkles than their Executive line which are super 100s.


Yeah I've kind of been feeling that way too since I got one of their SigGold suits - I think they're super 120s. I'm not sure I especially like the fabric to tell the truth.

To address the OP's Original Point (the OP's OP): I think the SigGold is an excellent value at $250. I also think a BB Madison for $500 is an excellent value. In fact, I think maybe the VALUE (defined as quality/price) of the two purchases is similar, though the quality of the BB is going to be better - and it obviously costs more too. So, since I expect to have the capacity to pay $500 on a suit, I am going to forgo the JAB and get a BB Madison.


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## rick7777

Jos A Bank clothing is poor quality and doesn't wear. I've shopped at Jos A Bank for business clothing - trousers, shirts, sports jackets and suits. I buy only their Signature or Signature Gold top of the line from the Madison Ave store in midtown Manhattan. Of the three pairs of their business trousers I bought on my first shopping there, only one remains. The other two disintegrated at the seams and pockets. All three of the suits I bought shortly thereafter show significant signs of wear after owning them only one year. I had to have the cuffs retailored because the store tailor couldn't be bothered to put in sufficient stitching. Some of the shirts have become discolored from dry cleaning. I have many other shirts and suits, some of which I've been wearing for nearly 20 years since my size has been quite stable. I'm neither large nor tough on clothing; the JAB trousers are just of poor quality. I bought during their best sales (3 for 1 plus something); I got what I paid for - cheap clothing. There are much better quality suits available during sales and from discount clothiers for $400 or less.


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## bflotomny

JAB serves a purpose for many of us. We don’t all live in or near major metro centers that contain high end retail sources. Nor do we care to purchase on the net hoping to receive the correct size close enough for the local tailor to adjust. JAB fits the need for the vast unwashed middle.
Another forum favorite: AE shoes-for me a local source has a small style selection and not enough sizes to make an intelligent decision on last to size selection. I would love to own multiple pairs of AE’s but alas after several tries locally and during shopping excursions I’ve given up and wear (gasp!!) J&M’s.
I agree that most of the JAB selections is suspect but diligent shopping and quality tailoring allows me to dress with style.


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## MaxBuck

I'm not in a mode to criticize anyone's clothing choices, but I need to say that Joseph Bank's clothing has always exhibited a very short life expectancy for me - pilling, seam failure and just plain losing shape. I ultimately would have spent far less by purchasing Brooks Brothers, HSM or Ralph Lauren.

​Great site!


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## dexter

Early in my career, I was at JAB for price reasons alone. As I made more, graduated to BB. For the past handful of years I have gone back to JAB for a multitude of reasons. While there is some stuff that I wouldn't touch, the have quite a bit of decent stuff at a great price. So far, happy with quality, fit and value.


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## Bernie Zack

bflotomny said:


> JAB serves a purpose for many of us. We don't all live in or near major metro centers that contain high end retail sources. Nor do we care to purchase on the net hoping to receive the correct size close enough for the local tailor to adjust. JAB fits the need for the vast unwashed middle.
> Another forum favorite: AE shoes-for me a local source has a small style selection and not enough sizes to make an intelligent decision on last to size selection. I would love to own multiple pairs of AE's but alas after several tries locally and during shopping excursions I've given up and wear (gasp!!) J&M's.
> I agree that most of the JAB selections is suspect but diligent shopping and quality tailoring allows me to dress with style.


Let me also add that I have tried and failed to find better deals on seersucker suits than that which is offered at JAB. During the fall and winter, you can pick up seersucker for a fraction of the price than those that are offered on Brooks Brothers web site. I had a 2 button seersucker suit that i picked up several years ago at Brooks Brothers Outlet (yes, I know, it was an outlet store, not the "real deal") and a 3 button that I bought at JAB. Both are still with me, and in great shape.

I don't even want to get into the debate on JAB, but I do want to say that I have been pleased with the select purchases that I have made at JAB. Cheers!


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