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I quit coming here regularly after the last forum software update made everything nearly unreadable, but I still pop in once in a while...just to find the same arguments happening all over again! Sigh.
See y'all in another five or six months.
Nah, that's not really true. There's a spectrum of fit with the Van last just like every other shoe. My LHS fit me tolerably well but not perfectly. After a whole day of wearing them, I've got some fatigue from the snug vamp across the top of my foot. But they're comfortable enough for me to...
I've had a couple and got rid of them. I also felt they looked affected and pretentious.
IMO the best kind of club collar is quite soft with little or no interlining, has long points, and is pinned with an actual pin.