Mr. Knightly

Super Member
quote:Originally posted by Russell Street
We'll never really get that... polish of the originals!

Fun trying, though...

Russell
In the case of trad, "polish" might actually be defined as a lack of polish.

Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man.
 

mpcsb

Inactive User
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Knightly

quote:Originally posted by Russell Street
We'll never really get that... polish of the originals!

Fun trying, though...

Russell
In the case of trad, "polish" might actually be defined as a lack of polish.

Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
But not express'd in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
For the apparel oft proclaims the man.
And often not ironed :D
 

Russell Street

Senior Member
The whole 'not polished & not ironed' thing is a really good point - I have to work hard not to over-iron my BDs or shine up my loafers too often.
It's an odd thing... working hard to make the look appear casual.
And I'm sure I still get it wrong and look too neat.
You either love these clothes or you don't. And if you do then looking after them too well is a big temptation.

Russell
 

mpcsb

Inactive User
quote:Originally posted by Russell Street

The whole 'not polished & not ironed' thing is a really good point - I have to work hard not to over-iron my BDs or shine up my loafers too often.
It's an odd thing... working hard to make the look appear casual.
And I'm sure I still get it wrong and look too neat.
You either love these clothes or you don't. And if you do then looking after them too well is a big temptation.

Russell
Russell,
Don't forget frayed, collars and cuffs on OCBD, boxers, cuffs and pockets on khakis, the worn edges of corduroy. There is no such thing as a worn out sock, as socks are seldom worn - LOL
 

Russell Street

Senior Member
Sorry I forget that we're doing topics here. (I'm new to all this)

Wonderfully lived-in faces those Kennedys sport...

An important part of 'the look', I think, once you reach a certain age.

Russell
 

Wimsey

Active Member with Corp. Privileges
quote:Originally posted by Harris


Russell, don't fret. That Peck/Finch look is as "Yankee" as it "Southern." In fact, here's a guess I'll wager: while you see (relatively) quite a bit of that particular style of frame around NYC and in New England, you probably see little of it below the Mason Dixon. Can't be sure. Just a guess.

As for the seersucker and/or pincord: again, not necessarily "Southern." In fact, I believe I'm correct that Brooks brought seersucker to the U.S. So, it could be as much a "New York" thing as a "Southern" thing. Both Southerners and Yankees can agree that it's an "East Coast" thing.

But then you have to consider that one of the better trad shops is located in San Francisco. Now I'm really confused.

-Harris
I think Peck looks more Yankee than southern in that picture. Remember, this is not a photo of an actual person; this is a photo of Hollywood in 1962 dressing a man to look like a southerner in 1932 *but* trying to make him look good *and* enlightened *and* smart.

So they gave him contemporary (for the time) frames, which have "New England" written all over them, and which also say "intellectual", a white suit (which does suggest the south), and a vest plus pocketwatch, which suggests "old fashioned gentleman". (I do have to wonder how many men in non-airconditioned southern alabama actually wore vests in the 30's, particularly when they were in crowded and presumably very hot courtrooms.)

I do think that Atticus looked great in the movie, but I don't think he's a good example of "southern trad" (whatever that is).

(For people who have seen the movie, there is an earlier scene where the judge comes and asks Atticus to defend Tom Robinson. The judge is wearing a baggy white suit, *I think* poplin or linen, very wrinkled, very loose fitting - this is probably accurate for that time, place, and season. Unfortunately, to modern eyes it looks sort of ... slovenly.)

I'll disgree that seersucker is an east coast thing - when I was growing up (and before), it was very common in Kentucky, which is not at all on the east coast. I suspect it was also pretty common in TN, MS, and AL, although I'm not certain of that. Maybe it's an east coast and southeastern thing...
 

Tomasso

Advanced Member
Wally Cox (Trad must run in the Cox family), actor and comedian.



Wally was known to be quite the ladies man.




Wally and Marlon Brando were lifelong best friends since nine years of age.





Wally died young(heart attack at 48) and Marlon took it hard, never getting over it. He carried Wally's ashes with him, wherever he went, for the rest of his life.


 

Chris H

Active Member with Corp. Privileges
quote:Originally posted by Russell Street

Hi there Chris -

(I've enjoyed your posts in the past very much - thank you for them.)

I'm getting on now but sadly I'm not old enough to have shopped at Austins, David's, Clothesville etc.
My knowledge of American clothes starts up on Richmond Hill in the '70's.

I never knew Mr.S. had worked at Austins. Cecil Gee & Burberry yes, but not Austins. Interesting.



I always knew Ian at the Ivy (circa '87 and before) as Ian Roberts, someone told me recently that he was actually called Ian Strachan (or something similar) and had 'retired' to the Forest of Dean. Not that it matters, but what do you know about that? He was a very nice man.

Good to hear from you. I believe Arrow were the shirts at Austins way back when. Is that correct?

Where does the 'Village Gate' chain of shops fit into Mr.S.'s story? It would have been in the '70's too. Do you know? I was in the V&A a while back and they had a V.G. overcoat (I think) as part of one of their displays. A dark green tweedy check, I think. Anyway...

Just curious.

Best Wishes,

Russell

(Obviously You'll get the joke of my name)
Hi Russell,

I was told that John worked as a window dresser at Austins, I have not checked this out with the man himself, so it might be mixed up with Cecil Gee which was only a few doors away. As I suspect you probably know, Austins was very popular with young musicians back then. I believe Georgie Fame, Charlie Watts, Andrew Loog Oldham and Eric Clapton were all customers in the early 1960s.

I first shopped at Austins in 1964, it was quite a lot more expensive than Cecil Gee but, you were getting the real US-made deal. Among the BDs sold I remember Gant, Arrow and (I think) Sero. I bought a couple of the Arrow roll-collar BDs. These shirts had flexible stiffeners in the collar which could be used to adjust the roll. I also bought two madras jackets from Austin around this time.

My first purchases from John Simon were made at the Squire Shop, Brewer Street in the late 1968. Over the next couple of years I bought striped oxford cloth BDs, shetland crew-necks, Baracuta G9 and sta-press Levis from both the Squire Shop and also Village Gate which opened a year or two later in Old Compton Street. In the early 1970s another Squire shop opened in the King's Road. This shop sold mainly the tight fitting two-button, three piece French-style suits, flared trousers, ultra slim-fit silk shirts and other clothing that was popular at that time.

This is really bringing back some memories.

Regards
Chris
 

Jean-Francois

Starting Member
Why do they wear their sleeves so long (not showing any shirt)? Is it intentional?

And it seems that all of them wear uncuffed plain-front pants. Do the pants have to be uncuffed?
 

Horace

Senior Member
quote:Originally posted by manton

quote:Originally posted by Horace

The Bones picture is creepy...
Isn't the penalty for leaking pictures from that place, like, death? Or something?
I don't remember -- it's something gruesome I think. I remember reading a book on it pub'd in the early 80's by a fellow at the Hoover Institute of all places.
 
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