never behind

Senior Member
I do see some 37R sizes on O'Connell's which is unique - do you think this may be a good compromise as a trim fit 38R? Otherwise, I am going to have to go MTM at Drinkwater's in Cambridge.
Possibly. My advice would be to call O’Connell’s. They are great and can provide measurements to help you determine if it would work.
 

Mike B

New Member
I do see some 37R sizes on O'Connell's which is unique - do you think this may be a good compromise as a trim fit 38R? Otherwise, I am going to have to go MTM at Drinkwater's in Cambridge.
As a public service, here at the measurements of my 37R O'Connell's blazer (made by Hardwick).

O’Connell’s Classic navy blazer (37R)

Shoulder 17.5”

Chest 20.75”

Waist 19.5” (no taper)

Sleeve 24.75”

Length (BOC) 29.75” (from collar bottom not from collar seam)

Lapel 3.5”

I'm a tall, thin guy and this blazer is a nice (but slightly loose) fit. I think my best fit is a 37R jacket but I can get away with 36R or 38R depending on the brand and cut.

Amazingly I did not have this jacket altered at all (not even the sleeves!) and am happy with the fit. As I comment above, there is very little taper in the waist but that would be an easy adjustment.
 

Fading Fast

Connoisseur
As a public service, here at the measurements of my 37R O'Connell's blazer (made by Hardwick).

O’Connell’s Classic navy blazer (37R)

Shoulder 17.5”

Chest 20.75”

Waist 19.5” (no taper)

Sleeve 24.75”

Length (BOC) 29.75” (from collar bottom not from collar seam)

Lapel 3.5”

I'm a tall, thin guy and this blazer is a nice (but slightly loose) fit. I think my best fit is a 37R jacket but I can get away with 36R or 38R depending on the brand and cut.

Amazingly I did not have this jacket altered at all (not even the sleeves!) and am happy with the fit. As I comment above, there is very little taper in the waist but that would be an easy adjustment.
It's very nice of you to post all this. I'm surprised a regular works for you as, usually, a tall person need a long cut. I've struggled with the same issue as the best overall fit for me is usually a 40L, but sometimes, if the jacket is cut large, a 39L would work better, but today, you rarely see 39Ls only 39Rs.
 

ztrad5

Starting Member
Thanks for posting those dimensions! My understanding is the # in front of the suit, such as 37, indicates a 37" circumference on the chest and then they add a couple inches for fit. Is 20.75" if you measure across the dimension of the jacket at the chest region rather than the circumference?
 

Mike B

New Member
My understanding is the # in front of the suit, such as 37, indicates a 37" circumference on the chest and then they add a couple inches for fit. Is 20.75" if you measure across the dimension of the jacket at the chest region rather than the circumference?
I measured across the front of the jacket to get 20.75".

It's very nice of you to post all this. I'm surprised a regular works for you as, usually, a tall person need a long cut. I've struggled with the same issue as the best overall fit for me is usually a 40L, but sometimes, if the jacket is cut large, a 39L would work better, but today, you rarely see 39Ls only 39Rs.
I've got narrow shoulders and chest so a 39 or 40 would be huge in both areas on me. For new OTR jackets I make a bit of a compromise in accepting a 'maybe not quite long enough' jacket in going with a 37 or 38 (most 36s are definitely too short).

I find that with vintage jackets the length is almost always appropriate for me in a size 38.
 

fishertw

Elite Member
Hi all,
Just discovered this great forum.
I am building my trad wardrobe.
So far I have a J Press Navy Blazer and some Brooks Brother's OCBDs.
Is the next acquisition a Camel Hair Sportcoat or a Tweed Sportcoat?
For Tweed, what is the one staple piece, the gray herringbone pattern?
Also, I noticed most of the sack suits are cut too generously for my frame. Do you recommend trying to find a trim fit on J Press or just sizing one down?
Thanks!
At this time, with Southwick going out of business, and their 3/2 Douglas model being an iconic gray herringbone, I’d go in that direction before a camel hair. O’connells still had some recently as did Cable Car in San Francisco. Not discounted, but I was advised in August by Oconnells that they would not be getting any more. As for Camel, I’ve worn the Brooks 3/2 for years and am holding on to the one I have as they did not even show that model last year before they filed for bankruptcy. Who knows what a revived BB will look like.
 

DCarreira

Starting Member
Good morning gentleman.

I have recently purchased a pants and vest combo but the store did not had the matching jacket to make it a 3 piece suit and I am thinking about what would be the best options to complete the look. This is a pic of me wearing it and a couple close-ups so you can see the pattern and material. It's a kind of flannel, not very formal and suitable for autumn/winter.

As a base layer it would go well with any white or dark shirt. Maybe with a denim shirt?

I am thinking I can wear both pieces separately pairing the vest with jeans or dark blue/grey chinos.

When using the combo a black/navy pea coat would be a good option, especially because I would just hang it when I get to the office. But what if I do want/need to use with a jacket? What would be a good jacket to complement this outfit?

Please share your thoughts on how to make the best out of this pieces. Thank you.
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LewisDias

New Member
Hello everyone.
Does anyone here have experience with Barbour knits?
I am thinking of buying a Fair Isle from them, but I was wondering if they are of good quality or not.
On the label it says it is 100% lambswool supersoft, but it is not possible to see where it was made, it Seems that barbour wants to hide it

 

eagle2250

Connoisseur/Curmudgeon Emeritus - Moderator
Hello everyone.
Does anyone here have experience with Barbour knits?
I am thinking of buying a Fair Isle from them, but I was wondering if they are of good quality or not.
On the label it says it is 100% lambswool supersoft, but it is not possible to see where it was made, it Seems that barbour wants to hide it

I've never been disappointed with the quality of Barbour purchases I have made, though I have not purchased any of their knitwear. However, my recommendation is take a chance. I'm pretty sure you will be happy with your purchase! ;)
 

TimF

Active Member with Corp. Privileges
Hello everyone.
Does anyone here have experience with Barbour knits?
I am thinking of buying a Fair Isle from them, but I was wondering if they are of good quality or not.
On the label it says it is 100% lambswool supersoft, but it is not possible to see where it was made, it Seems that barbour wants to hide it

Looks rather slim fit. You'd also need to factor in how you plan on cleaning the sweater. If the answer is self-laundry with water, you'd need to factor in some shrinkage factor, which is likely with wool knits produced away from the reputable makers in UK/Scotland.
 

Eligius

New Member
Hello everyone.
Does anyone here have experience with Barbour knits?
I am thinking of buying a Fair Isle from them, but I was wondering if they are of good quality or not.
On the label it says it is 100% lambswool supersoft, but it is not possible to see where it was made, it Seems that barbour wants to hide it
I have a Barbour sweater that I bought somewhat randomly on a trip to Denver when it was much colder than I had expected in early Fall. It is styled like a simple fisherman’s, and the material is rough and has raglan shoulders. It just says “100% wool” and is made in Turkey. I have really liked it and wear it often.
 

ztrad5

Starting Member
I have been enjoying the Made in USA OCBD from BB given the large discounts. However, I was wondering if these shirts are considered formal or dressed up enough for professional attire where the rest of the outfit is a suit? Are these more for casual wear with chinos or can they be worn with a suit? What do folks recommend for dress shirts when wearing a suit? Thanks!
 

TKI67

Elite Member
I have been enjoying the Made in USA OCBD from BB given the large discounts. However, I was wondering if these shirts are considered formal or dressed up enough for professional attire where the rest of the outfit is a suit? Are these more for casual wear with chinos or can they be worn with a suit? What do folks recommend for dress shirts when wearing a suit? Thanks!
I am sure times have changed (they always do), but for my career (1975-2019) I wore such shirts, usually blue but occasionally white, pink, or blue and white or pink and white university stripes, with grey or navy sack suits, Alden for Brooks tassels, and suitable ties, repp stripes with solid shirts and suits, neats or paisleys with striped shirts and solid suits or with solid shirts and striped or glen plaid suits. No one criticized me. If you want to dress up your look beyond that a white point collar shirt in broadcloth or pinpoint (French cuffs) looks pretty snazzy with a chalk stripe or solid navy suit and a foulard tie.
 

ztrad5

Starting Member
Thanks so much for the answer above. I'm more comfortable wearing the OCBD with my suits given your input.

Regarding shoes, I have a pair of AE McAllister wingtips in walnut brown, black Oxford captoe shoes, and dark brown Oxford captoe shoes. I am hoping to add a loafer. What do folks recommend for a first versatile loafer? Would you all recommend Alden burgundy cordovan tassel loafers, Gucci horsebit loafers in black with silver buckle (may be too flashy), or something else entirely?
 

TKI67

Elite Member
Thanks so much for the answer above. I'm more comfortable wearing the OCBD with my suits given your input.

Regarding shoes, I have a pair of AE McAllister wingtips in walnut brown, black Oxford captoe shoes, and dark brown Oxford captoe shoes. I am hoping to add a loafer. What do folks recommend for a first versatile loafer? Would you all recommend Alden burgundy cordovan tassel loafers, Gucci horsebit loafers in black with silver buckle (may be too flashy), or something else entirely?
In my decidedly TNSIL opinion, even though some would not even call it a dress shoe, the Alden tassel in color No. 8 is the all time best business dress shoe by a wide margin.
 

Charles Dana

Honors Member
I have been enjoying the Made in USA OCBD from BB given the large discounts. However, I was wondering if these shirts are considered formal or dressed up enough for professional attire where the rest of the outfit is a suit? Are these more for casual wear with chinos or can they be worn with a suit?
They are “dressed up enough” to be worn with a suit. In the 1920s, some prep school kids wore them with a suit in order to be fashion-forward. Things have changed since then.

Good enough for William F. Buckley Jr., good enough for you.

Since this is election day, I’ll ask you a question related to presidential shirts. Who are the only two presidents who, while in office, sometimes wore shirts with button-down collars with their suits?

Answer: Lyndon Johnson and Gerald Ford.

Johnson favored tab collars, but he wore button-down collars occasionally. When he signed the Medicare bill into law in July 1965, he wore a short-sleeve shirt with a button-down collar with his dark suit.
 

TKI67

Elite Member
They are “dressed up enough” to be worn with a suit. In the 1920s, some prep school kids wore them with a suit in order to be fashion-forward. Things have changed since then.

Good enough for William F. Buckley Jr., good enough for you.

Since this is election day, I’ll ask you a question related to presidential shirts. Who are the only two presidents who, while in office, sometimes wore shirts with button-down collars with their suits?

Answer: Lyndon Johnson and Gerald Ford.

Johnson favored tab collars, but he wore button-down collars occasionally. When he signed the Medicare bill into law in July 1965, he wore a short-sleeve shirt with a button-down collar with his dark suit.
A cool bit of history.
 

Zim

Starting Member
I'm buying my father an O'Connell's Shetland sweater for Christmas to replace one he lost 10 years ago. Does anyone know if the chest size is accurate in the sense of a 44 being exactly 44 inches around the chest or if there's some degree of extra allowance?

I couldn't get his sport coat size but his wife was able to measure one of his favorites sweaters at 23 inches across the front. I am note sure if I should be looking at a 44 or 46.

To muddy things a bit, my sport coat size is a 43l. Going by O'Connell's suggestion to size up I'd wear a 44 sweater. My father is a bit smaller in all dimensions that I am, couple inches shorter, as well as slimmer in the waist and I believe in the chest. I am worried a 46 would be a tent on him and that even a 44 would be large.
 
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