Where could you have Reds made in the USA these days and sell them at a price people are willing to pay? Or at least that I am willing to pay? I only buy Bill's khakis because the cheaper alternatives don't cut it. Quite frankly, I wish someone in China would clone Bill's M2 and sell them for less. I really hate paying that much for khakis Fortunately, my last pair of Murray's do cut it, weren't made here and they cost less than Bills khakis.