Trad shoe question for Harris et. al.

jmorgan32

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Wearing my Alden leisure mocs for sockless wear in summer with khaki shorts etc., but they seem a little "shiny or clunky/formal" for some reason at times. What do you think about this new Alden. (they are not made my Alden, but to their specs from someplace in Maine. They are not a Goodyear welt construction either. Would you wear them with say jeans, khakis or shorts with no socks?

It is very new and not yet even on the Alden site. Called the Cape Cod drop tassel. The dark brown one. Very simple, clean and just the tassel.

What do you think?
 

jmorgan32

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quote:Originally posted by rojo

It's actually a lot like the old tassel Weejun, which I don't think is made anymore.

absolutely. it is a dark chocolate brown however and a very very soft calf. (differs fromt he old weejun which i had by the way) i kind of like it for shorts et al
 

LeatherSOUL

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Jmorgan32,

That "drop tassel" is a great shoe. One of my top sellers with the locals who love tassels. Simple and snoody casual. Great with khakis!

It actually has been out for years now, not a new shoe, so I don't know why it's not on the Aldenshoe.com website.

Go for it!

Tom



"From our Soul to your Sole."
 

jmorgan32

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Thanks! I enjoyed your site too.
All the best.

quote:Originally posted by LeatherSOUL

Jmorgan32,

That "drop tassel" is a great shoe. One of my top sellers with the locals who love tassels. Simple and snoody casual. Great with khakis!

It actually has been out for years now, not a new shoe, so I don't know why it's not on the Aldenshoe.com website.

Go for it!

Tom



"From our Soul to your Sole."
 

arkirshner

Honors Member
quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32

Wearing my Alden leisure mocs for sockless wear in summer with khaki shorts etc.,


Shorts? You don't really wear shorts, do you? Surely you jest. Say it isn't so.
 

jmorgan32

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quote:Originally posted by arkirshner

quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32

Wearing my Alden leisure mocs for sockless wear in summer with khaki shorts etc.,


Shorts? You don't really wear shorts, do you? Surely you jest. Say it isn't so.

Hell yes. When it is 95 degrees and a casual day, absolutely. You don't? You have to be kidding.
 

n/a

Senior Member
Originally posted by jmorgan32

Wearing my Alden leisure mocs for sockless wear in summer with khaki shorts etc., but they seem a little "shiny or clunky/formal" for some reason at times. What do you think about this new Alden. (they are not made my Alden, but to their specs from someplace in Maine. They are not a Goodyear welt construction either. Would you wear them with say jeans, khakis or shorts with no socks?

It is very new and not yet even on the Alden site. Called the Cape Cod drop tassel. The dark brown one. Very simple, clean and just the tassel.

What do you think?

During the summer, I alternate between my 984's and my Brooks-by-Alden (unlined) shell cordovan leisure handsewns. I don't mind the "clunky" factor. In fact, I embrace it. --Harris
 

longwing

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I agree that the Alden leisure mocs are a bit formal looking for shorts. The weejuns or brooks cordos look better to me for this. Perhaps as the Aldens age ?
 

n/a

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The sum of my own experience influences my vantage point: I remember that when I was an undergraduate, dozens upon dozens (hundreds?) of students owned the 984 and wore it year-round, including summers with shorts. Back in those days, we wouldn't have known where to purchase Weejuns, but we all knew we could find the 984 at Eljo's, which maintained (and still maintains) a huge stock. I still wear the pair I purchased around '90. Sixteen years later, it's as comfy as an R.J. Draper slipper. Re-soled about five times. -Harris
 

FormerlyTM

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I love those shoes! I have been looking for a pair of more casual penny loafers lately, but the contrast stitching and the tassle (I'm a sucker for tassles) really make me want to buy those instead.
 

jmorgan32

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quote:Originally posted by TimmyMac

I love those shoes! I have been looking for a pair of more casual penny loafers lately, but the contrast stitching and the tassle (I'm a sucker for tassles) really make me want to buy those instead.

They aren't bad at all. Just got them. Very soft calf. Fully lined so be warned they may be a little "toasty" with no socks if you are used to an unlined pair. Never had a pair of shoes this soft when new. (I am an old "regular" Alden guy-ie shells, regular calfs etc.)
My only concern at this point (very minor concern at that) is when they will show any signs "of character" or "breaking in". I like a "worn in look" and these are so damn buttery soft they don't show any wrinkles or signs of wear yet. (only about 5 or 6 hours of wear though so far.) We'll see.
PS Poster above said they have been out for a couple of years, but the Customer Service Rep at Alden's headquarters told me they are very new and that is why they are not in the catalog. Also, on the Sherman Bros site they don't have a size in the drop down menu and they told me it was because they are such a new item. Who knows.
 

LeatherSOUL

Super Member
quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32
PS Poster above said they have been out for a couple of years, but the Customer Service Rep at Alden's headquarters told me they are very new and that is why they are not in the catalog. Also, on the Sherman Bros site they don't have a size in the drop down menu and they told me it was because they are such a new item. Who knows.

Well, I've had them in stock since I opened my Downtown store, 10/2004. That makes them at least over a year old. I was assuming they were out before then-that I just didn't happen to order them when they were brand new. I will call Alden on Monday and see why they are telling customers lies. That makes me as a retailer look bad and I am not happy about that.



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winn

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"Back in those days, we wouldn't have known where to purchase Weejuns, but we all knew we could find the 984 at Eljo's, which maintained (and still maintains) a huge stock." - Harris

My take on this: Eljo's - and I remember when it was on West Main Street down the street from the Virginian - was big on Weejuns in the 70's, and by the 90's when I guess the N734's were less available by Bass, they had started stocking the Alden strongly. In my days in Hookville, I don't remember any guys wearing the 984. (I did not know they even existed.) I laughed heartily, Harris, in your references to the piles o' Alden shoe boxes at Eljo's right there on the sales floor. Do you think at Trad House in Japan that there is an Blue Ridge Mountain chain of Alden green shoe boxes similar to Eljo's? It would not surprise me.

Question: Is there a similiarity the way we talk about shoes in model numbers the way some guys talk about cars? Hmmmm

Cheers,
Winn
 

n/a

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WAHOOWA, old boy. That one's for my sainted father, a committed Cav.

A Hookville Hoo such as yourself might not have seen much of the 984 on the Grounds, but I can tell you that they were something of cult item among my college (not UVA) chums. The old N734 was a classic and decently made (of decent if not stiff leather), but nothing close to the 984. I've seen Myles wearing the 984 too many times to count, and I feel sure he would agree that it's one of only a couple of loafers in the entire Alden stock that could rightly be considered "classics." (The others being the 986 and the legendary 563).

Years later, after taking quite a beating, the 984's look great. Better than ever, all scarred-up and cracked and creased and stained. I'm not sure what caused the scars, cracks, and creases, but I feel sure I can identify the stains, most of which can be attributed to spillage: Guinness and Dewars. With the passing of the Friday and Saturday evening hours, so went the steady hands.

Cheers,
Harris
 

LeatherSOUL

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quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32
PS Poster above said they have been out for a couple of years, but the Customer Service Rep at Alden's headquarters told me they are very new and that is why they are not in the catalog. Also, on the Sherman Bros site they don't have a size in the drop down menu and they told me it was because they are such a new item. Who knows.

So apparantly they are a few years old. I checked with my rep and I found an old Cape Cod price list dated 3/26/03 with the H435, h436, and H437 on it. The reason why Sherman and other retailers may think it is new is because it wasn't included in the previous catalog. The new one (green outside-that ALL dealers haven't received yet due to a mistake in it) has it included in the Cape Cod section.

When they came out it was up to the Alden reps to introduce it to their retailers. My rep introduced it to me back in 2004.

As for the website, as you can tell, Alden does not put a lot of emphasis on website updates. That is the only reason why it isn't listed online at aldenshoe.com.



"From our Soul to your Sole."
 

jmorgan32

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quote:Originally posted by LeatherSOUL

quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32
PS Poster above said they have been out for a couple of years, but the Customer Service Rep at Alden's headquarters told me they are very new and that is why they are not in the catalog. Also, on the Sherman Bros site they don't have a size in the drop down menu and they told me it was because they are such a new item. Who knows.

So apparantly they are a few years old. I checked with my rep and I found an old Cape Cod price list dated 3/26/03 with the H435, h436, and H437 on it. The reason why Sherman and other retailers may think it is new is because it wasn't included in the previous catalog. The new one (green outside-that ALL dealers haven't received yet due to a mistake in it) has it included in the Cape Cod section.

When they came out it was up to the Alden reps to introduce it to their retailers. My rep introduced it to me back in 2004.

As for the website, as you can tell, Alden does not put a lot of emphasis on website updates. That is the only reason why it isn't listed online at aldenshoe.com.



"From our Soul to your Sole."

Makes a lot of sense. You sure know your products. Question on the leather itself------I have never worn such a soft calf. My experience has mainly been with shell cordovan and what I would call "regular standard calfskin" like you would find used for an Alden dress tassel loafer. As you know, this leather is very very soft, and after wearing for about a week (not a lot of hours admittedly) it shows virtually NO signs of wear. I like the character and wrinkles shoes get with wear. Are these ever going to look "well-broken in??"
Thanks,
Joe
 

LeatherSOUL

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quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32

quote:Originally posted by LeatherSOUL

quote:Originally posted by jmorgan32
PS Poster above said they have been out for a couple of years, but the Customer Service Rep at Alden's headquarters told me they are very new and that is why they are not in the catalog. Also, on the Sherman Bros site they don't have a size in the drop down menu and they told me it was because they are such a new item. Who knows.

So apparantly they are a few years old. I checked with my rep and I found an old Cape Cod price list dated 3/26/03 with the H435, h436, and H437 on it. The reason why Sherman and other retailers may think it is new is because it wasn't included in the previous catalog. The new one (green outside-that ALL dealers haven't received yet due to a mistake in it) has it included in the Cape Cod section.

When they came out it was up to the Alden reps to introduce it to their retailers. My rep introduced it to me back in 2004.

As for the website, as you can tell, Alden does not put a lot of emphasis on website updates. That is the only reason why it isn't listed online at aldenshoe.com.



"From our Soul to your Sole."

Makes a lot of sense. You sure know your products. Question on the leather itself------I have never worn such a soft calf. My experience has mainly been with shell cordovan and what I would call "regular standard calfskin" like you would find used for an Alden dress tassel loafer. As you know, this leather is very very soft, and after wearing for about a week (not a lot of hours admittedly) it shows virtually NO signs of wear. I like the character and wrinkles shoes get with wear. Are these ever going to look "well-broken in??"
Thanks,
Joe
Joe,

I think it would take a lot of wear to make it look the way you want. That tumbled softer calf is not only soft, it's think and less prone to that worn look. I'd just wear the shoe as a casual shoe to kick around in. If you want to develope some nice antiquing, stick with the hard stuff. :)



"From our Soul to your Sole."
 

Philip12

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quote:Originally posted by Harris

WAHOOWA, old boy. That one's for my sainted father, a committed Cav.

A Hookville Hoo such as yourself might not have seen much of the 984 on the Grounds, but I can tell you that they were something of cult item among my college (not UVA) chums. The old N734 was a classic and decently made (of decent if not stiff leather), but nothing close to the 984. I've seen Myles wearing the 984 too many times to count, and I feel sure he would agree that it's one of only a couple of loafers in the entire Alden stock that could rightly be considered "classics." (The others being the 986 and the legendary 563).

Years later, after taking quite a beating, the 984's look great. Better than ever, all scarred-up and cracked and creased and stained. I'm not sure what caused the scars, cracks, and creases, but I feel sure I can identify the stains, most of which can be attributed to spillage: Guinness and Dewars. With the passing of the Friday and Saturday evening hours, so went the steady hands.

Cheers,
Harris

The 984 is my absolute favorite shoe. I had one extra pair for about 12 years that I had never worn. Sometimes I just took them out of the box to just look at them in pristine condition. They are works of art. My other pair must be more than 15 years old and I still wear them occasionally. The front part has 'collapsed', though, but they still look great with khakis.

Philip
 
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