Better without. Simply doesn't look as clean with pockets. Convenient? Sure, but then so are cell phone holsters.
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The suggestion that dress shirt pockets are in any way analogous to cell phone holsters beggars belief.
I never liked pockets on T-shirts. On dress shirts, I can see it either way because practicality goes out the window with dress clothes anyway. Think of all of the needless and impractical things on dress clothes. Ties, leather soles with no rubber, show hankies, etc. Eliminating pockets for dress shirts seems ridiculous to me but less so when I think of the other stuff. Whatever the designers decide, I go along with if it becomes standard, but secretly I think it's all ridiculous.
Wearing a tie clip or having a pocket on a French cuffed shirt feels wrong to me. It's not incorrect, technically, just a preference. Almost all my button cuff dress shirts lack pockets too, yet I somehow don't feel as strongly about them.If it's a dress shirt you're wearing a suit or sports coat with it, so why do you need the extra pocket? If your jacket is open, a pocket on the shirt looks messy. Without a jacket, the pocket throws off the balance of the shirt. Putting something in the pocket messes up the lines of the shirt, especially if the shirt is fitted.
If you don't like the look of a pocket, fine. But it's entirely a matter of arbitrary taste.
Any "proof" that a shirt pocket is wrong - based on symmetry, line or whatever - could also be applied to prove that the breast pocket of a jacket is wrong.
Dress shirts have routinely had pockets for the entire 60 years I've inhabited the planet. It therefore is not about "adding pockets rather than eliminating them," but rather the converse. It's about electing to go pocketless counter to common usage. I have no problem with people who choose their shirts without pockets, but acting as though that's the norm for modern dress is just silly, as is the idea that pockets add to the wear of suspenders. Unless one buys raw-silk fabric braces, the wear differential will not be measurable.It's not about eliminating pockets, it's about adding them. Traditionally dress shirts don't have pockets.
"Cruiser charging back just to say that anything goes" is one end of the spectrum. Sartorial world habitués are the other end. They have more in common with each other than either realizes.
Dress shirts have routinely had pockets for the entire 60 years I've inhabited the planet. It therefore is not about "adding pockets rather than eliminating them," but rather the converse. It's about electing to go pocketless counter to common usage. I have no problem with people who choose their shirts without pockets, but acting as though that's the norm for modern dress is just silly, as is the idea that pockets add to the wear of suspenders. Unless one buys raw-silk fabric braces, the wear differential will not be measurable.
Like all dichotomies, that is - of course - a simplification. That's not a criticism, just an observation.There are two audiences on these forums, one for sartorial people who already know what they like and are interested in the esthetics.
Another for the people who are learning and wish to know what to do to be acceptable.
I don't think anybody's saying that a pocket is required. And it's just plain silly to say the only two possible positions are pocket required or pocket banned. The world - including the world of clothes - is full of options and choices, where choosing one or the other is just a matter of taste. Indeed, the same person typically mixes and matches many choices.
A person would be (rightly) mocked if he said something like:
- "Either a sport coat should be made of tweed or it shouldn't be."
- "Either a suit should have pinstripes or it shouldn't"
- "Either a shirt should be white or it shouldn't be"
- "Either a pair of shoes should be captoes or wingtips"
Slightly less risible, but still a matter of personal preference:
- Pleated pants vs. flat front
- Cuffs vs. no cuffs
- Three-button jackets vs. two-button
Nor is it anathema to posting in a thread about pockets to say that it's a matter of personal preference. Saying that is a statement worth posting, at least if people are taking the rather strange position that you can't put a pocket on a dress* shirt.
*Which, I suppose is less strange if you engage in the sophistry of defining a "dress shirt" as excluding one you wear with, say, a suit to work in an office.