smmrfld

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I agree with @At Law. The reason why packaging is important is that it reflects the mentality behind the manufacturer. Any product worth the price will be packaged in a fitting manner, although once in a while, a fine product may come in a plain package. This is true with all sorts of products, not simply clothes or shoes, as has been pointed out. Consider Apple computers, they come in very nicely designed boxes. Attention paid to the appearance of the package reflects the level of care that went into manufacturing the product.

More generally may I suggest that we do indeed pay attention to appearance in this forum, LOL. After all clothing is the packaging in which humans seem to come -- first impressions and so forth...
Apple makes what are widely considered quality products. AE, not so much anymore. Doesn’t really matter what they put their shoes in if the product is inferior.
 

blue suede shoes

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My days of buying Allen Edmonds ended in about 2013. A real shame.
Allen Edmonds quality had been going downhill ever since they were bought out in 2006. It really took a dive after 2013 - 2014. I bought four pairs in 2013, and two pairs of old stock Allen Edmonds in 2014, and nothing since then.
 

eagle2250

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I will continue enjoying my present inventory of AE designs, sufficient I'm sure to last me the rest of my lifetime! ;)
 

JLibourel

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^Pretty much my situation as well. Nearly all the A-Es I acquired date from the John Stollenwerk era or immediately thereafter.

I have bought some newer A-Es for my stepson. The leather on some of them doesn't seem quite equal to my older A-Es, but the shoes don't seem to be anywhere nearly as poorly made as many in this forum complain. But maybe we've just been lucky!
 

At Law

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I believe most AE's in calf are worth around $200 or so. However, they are not worth the $395 or so most of them M.S.R.P. at.
 

triklops55

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Apple makes what are widely considered quality products. AE, not so much anymore. Doesn’t really matter what they put their shoes in if the product is inferior.
I guess it depends what you mean by "quality products" in regards to Apple. If you mean easy-to-use, simple devices, then yes, they do. If you mean of quality materials and long lasting? Well, not so much.
I would say that Apple's marketing is brilliant enough to make its customers feel they are getting a superior product. And the packaging is part of that marketing.
 

drpeter

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Dr. Peter is a scholar and a fine gentleman. And I'm not just writing that because he agreed with my rambling post regarding marketing and presentation of a product.....Okay, perhaps I am.
Why, thank you, Counselor!
 

drpeter

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Apple makes what are widely considered quality products. AE, not so much anymore. Doesn’t really matter what they put their shoes in if the product is inferior.
I daresay a number of people on this forum would agree with you. I haven't bought AE shoes in donkey's years, even though they are a Wisconsin company. The three or four pairs of AEs I possess are all still lovely and remain quite serviceable, although that may be because I do have quite a few pairs of shoes in my closet! I must admit, though, that with American shoes, I much prefer Aldens, again acquired ten to twelve years ago, to AEs. I hope I am not treading on anyone's toes here!

I also don't buy new things very often, they're mostly vintage items. I much prefer to repair and maintain the really good items I bought, even though they are old.

A bit of a digression here: I think there's something very traditional (and may I say sincere and affectionate) in altering and reusing one's father's clothes handed down to one? My Dad retired from work in Colonial Malaya and went back to India in the early sixties. He had excellent taste and taught me about clothes and materials. He had lovely old tropical worsted suits, silk ties, white dinner jackets and outstanding leather shoes, all tailor-made or hand-made by good craftsmen, in the styles of the nineteen-forties and -fifties. But he put these all away and only wore Indian clothes once he was back home. My brother and I were given permission to do whatever we wished with these items. We had our tailor alter many items to fit us (not much change was needed anyway), and the work was done carefully, so we ended up with beautiful trousers and jackets that were both an honour and a pleasure to wear. It's probably very obvious that my Dad, now long gone, was my friend and my hero. Nothing new, no matter how fancy and expensive, can take the place of those old clothes for me. Years later, I read a rather wistful piece by Bruce Boyer wherein he echoed almost identical sentiments regarding old clothes, and felt quietly vindicated in my beliefs. So now, Mr Boyer is one of my heroes too!
 

overseer07

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I believe most AE's in calf are worth around $200 or so. However, they are not worth the $395 or so most of them M.S.R.P. at.
Their current strategy of listing high prices but running constant sales really gives away the quality you should expect from AE. Their shoes aren't $450 quality anymore; they are $225 quality, and the product and QC certainly reflect that price.