That's a wonderful place - earns its reputation as it's not a tourist trap, despite, now, being overwhelmed with tourists - but it's in Soho, twenty plus blocks south of the Flatiron. Like you, I can think of places and, I think, I can see the one TH is referencing, I just can't get the name of it for my life. But now I want to go to Balthazar for the fries alone.Could it be Balthazar.
TH, is the place you're thinking about the one that was literally in the base (street level) of the Flatiron building itself at the "tip" of the triangle with glass windows on both sides?Nope. That was later in the nineties c.1999-2000 (near the end of my tenure on the East Coast) when it was hot - not a tourista in sight and damn near impossible to get seated.
Tough to maintain integrity in those circumstances - glad to hear that they do.
Always considered it more meat-packing than SoHo, but as I am certainly not a native...
Place I'm thinking of was c. '94-'96 right at Flatiron - it will come to me eventually. That it is all a bit scrambled in my memory speaks volumes to my usual state of being the 3-4 times I dined with my friends from D.C. there.
The next time you are at Balthazar, please raise a fry for the rest of us FF!
Very many thanks as always to both of you gentlemen for your help.
Are you kidding, I love New York '80s-'90s (my time running around this city as a young man) minutia / trivia. I know this isn't the place, but it was in the area and a great after a night of, er, drinking place to absorb the booze - do you remember Lox Around the Clock?No, that place was - I think - some-sort of diner in those days. This was French-ish and a block or so away. Who knows - it might actually have been L' Express? Will have to Google that one bit more to figure out when it opened...
Sorry to have dragged you into my fit of middle-aged nostalgia and apparently creeping senility.
Did you see the city during the Abe Beam years? Or even early in Koch's administration? Rats everywhere in the 70's. The place was flat out gross. If you started going there in the early 90's the transformation was well on it's way. And regarding The Bronx, expect for Yankee games, to go there in the Beam years, was to put your life in peril. It was an urban wasteland. The squigee men are gone, and Manhattan is definitely more user friendly. To get "corn-belt families" into Manhattan and to stay the night is a public administration miracle--you might as well cue Cecil B. Demille.No, it really did have that panache, oodles and oodles of that panache, and many, many other things I have been advised not to go into on family-friendly forums such as this.
Then killjoy Rudy finished it all off...
Lucky to have caught the last gasps of it in the 1990s on week-enders up from DC or down from Providence - the difference in just the few years from '94-'97 was palpable - much less the difference from 1990 which was an entirely different city IMHO.
I knew it was gone for good when in May of 2000, I saw fleets of tour buses disgorging wave after wave of tourists from the corn-belt come to The Big Apple to storm Disney and Pizza-Hut with grim determination.
Well and poignantly stated.
Do you by any chance happen to recall the name of that 24 hr French-ish bistro near Flatiron where you could have an O.K. steak au poivre at 3 AM served by some aspiring model-actress-dancer or other?
Sort of like what the old Au Pied du Cochon in Georgetown was only better - not that that was hard or anything.
Been trying to remeber the name for some time now...
I've written about it elsewhere, but HBO's "The Deuce" does an incredible job of capturing NYC in the '70s - the first version of NYC I got to know.^
My time predates.
17 thru 21. '62 to '67. And a summer sub let on Greenwich Avenue at Abington Square summer of Satisfaction, Lost that Lovin' Feeling and We Gotta Get Outa This Place, '65. Tad's Steakhouses ($1.19) and Horn and Hardart everywhere. (One whole one now in the Smithsonian.) Toffinetti's when the Times really was in Times Square. The Deuce on HBO, see it/hear of it? The 70s in the Square, a little after my tme, but authentic right down to the steam from the grates. I have never seen the clean Square. Wagner was my mayor. Then Lindsay then I was out.