RJman

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Nope -- hard G.

Tricky, those English -- Gieves pronounced with hard G, Kilgour pronounced Kil'-gard... Boateng pronounced "flashy crap"...
 

chrstc

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Nope -- hard G.

Tricky, those English -- Gieves pronounced with hard G, Kilgour pronounced Kil'-gard... Boateng pronounced "flashy crap"...
:icon_smile_big:

LOL!!

I had no idea about the pronunciation of Gieves or Kilgour myself but it seems I was well aware of how to pronounce Boateng!

Chris.
 

morgan

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Wow!

Who made that suit at 31' 17 and at 53' 42? It looked fantastic. As did most of the clothes, of course.

As for the rest of the programme, it was badly edited, (seemingly by some poor booby stricken with Parkinson's), badly written (Justin Timberlake for goodness' sake) and made a category mistake in comparing SR with A&F in the first place. It's hardly comparing apples with apples in my view; different target markets with different needs.

But I did think it was wonderful to see how multi-racial the Row is and endearing to see my aunt's cousin Andrew Ramroop retaining a little of his Trini accent!
 
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chrstc

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Hi,

What I think will be interesting is to see whether the differences between the tailors and their particular markets are emphasised in future programmes or not. The first programme was all about solidarity and resisting the arrival of a retail store but how about the uproar that Ozwald Boateng and Richard James etc caused when they first arrived? It will be interesting to see whether that is mentioned at any point. I can remember reading an article about Mr. Boateng organising a fashion show in the middle of the Row itself which was closed to traffic for the day. All of the tailors were invited to take part but, as I remember, none of the established houses did!

From a personal point of view I'd also love to hear what the other tailors think about the likes of Kilgour and Hardy Amies these days. More fashion houses than tailors perhaps? The Norton website says that many of Hardy Amies' suits came from them and not his own firm anyhow which is hardly much of an endorsement is it!

Chris.
 

tricota

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Who made that suit at 31' 17 and at 53' 42? It looked fantastic. As did most of the clothes, of course.

As for the rest of the programme, it was badly edited, (seemingly by some poor booby stricken with Parkinson's), badly written (Justin Timberlake for goodness' sake) and made a category mistake in comparing SR with A&F in the first place. It's hardly comparing apples with apples in my view; different target markets with different needs.

But I did think it was wonderful to see how multi-racial the Row is and endearing to see my aunt's cousin Andrew Ramroop retaining a little of his Trini accent!
I have to agree with you on some of the points. The guy (and it did seam to be just one guy with a camera) didnt have any knowledge about the issues or SR and didnt seam to grasp why the tailors were up in arms. And yes, it could have been edited a lot better. Most of the time if was just him filming things that were nice enough, but perhaps not nessesary, and him asking rather pointless questions.

But still, it was an hour of some of the best mens clothes in the world, and I am definitely there again next week!
 

culverwood

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I would like to think that the SRB Association weren't too involved with that. I don't know about the other members but I'm sure that Mark Henderson wouldn't have wanted it to by so cliched and stuffy.
I could be wrong.
There was a credit to them at the end of the program so they probably were involved.
 

LondonFogey

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That's what I thought for much of it.
They've missed an opportunity here to make the Row more accessible and presentable and instead they've really enjoyed living up to all the old Gentleman's club stereotypes.
I doubt if any potential new clients are considering visiting the Row after that.
It came across as intimidating and elitist which is what puts a lot of people off.

And what is it about Nick Foulkes? He seems to get into every single video clip or documentary about the Row that I've ever seen!
Does he live there..?
Why on earth does the Row need to be made more 'accessible and presentable'??? If people want a hip and happening clothing experience, they can go to every single High Street in the entire United Kingdom and get some trendy overpriced crap sold to them by a wispy haired teenager, or if they want bespoke they can go to one of the many off-row trendy tailors beloved of the New Labour and the rest of the modernising, tradition-hating champagne socialists that infest this country.

People go to the Row BECAUSE of its 'gentlemens' clubs stereotypes' (plus some little things called quality and tradition) because they can't get that anywhere else.

You might as well turn White's into a kebab shop!
 

Bishop of Briggs

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I am downloading the programme all 600mb to test the BBC's iplayer with a file on my hard disk. Unfortunately the BBC's server is sending at around 60k per second rather than around 500k max for my BT broadband connection. It will probably take a couple hours to download the file. It should be quicker to email it with a the iplayer but it would be breaking the licence conditions....
 

Bishop of Briggs

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Hi,

What I think will be interesting is to see whether the differences between the tailors and their particular markets are emphasised in future programmes or not. The first programme was all about solidarity and resisting the arrival of a retail store but how about the uproar that Ozwald Boateng and Richard James etc caused when they first arrived? It will be interesting to see whether that is mentioned at any point. I can remember reading an article about Mr. Boateng organising a fashion show in the middle of the Row itself which was closed to traffic for the day. All of the tailors were invited to take part but, as I remember, none of the established houses did!

From a personal point of view I'd also love to hear what the other tailors think about the likes of Kilgour and Hardy Amies these days. More fashion houses than tailors perhaps? The Norton website says that many of Hardy Amies' suits came from them and not his own firm anyhow which is hardly much of an endorsement is it!

Chris.
It was interesting to see Boateng at the tailors' meeting at Gieves & Hawkes to discuss Abercrombie & Fitch. (BTW, he wore a Bamford & Sons coat when he sat next to me in Cecconi's a few weeks ago).

Kilgour still makes bespoke suits on the Row and in China but I am not a customer and cannot comment on the quality. I dislike the modern interior of the Kilgour, Boateng and main Richard James shops. Boateng's new shop is particularly garish IMO.

I would classify William Hunt as a fashion house too, especially as the firm is offering cheap RTW through stores such as John Lewis (my local branch stocks Boateng, Hunt and Chester Barrie's "Chester" brand).

It will be interesting to see whether Mark Marengo's shop on the Row will sell the same merchandise as his other shops or move upmarket. Marengo's quality seems to have dropped off as the firm has expanded.