Kyle76

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I recently received a suit order from one of the MTM houses recommended by several here. In addition to some fit issues, which I hope will be resolved, I was a little disappointed with the surgeon’s cuff construction. Normally, I would expect at least twice the overlap on a cuff like this. The short overlap just doesn’t look right to me.
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Searching_Best_Fit

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I may be wrong here but it seems that the distance from the first button edge to the cuff is about 20mm, or 1 1/2 button size (22 mm+). Is this correct?

I have a theory that typical OTR jacket places the buttons that is about 1 1/4" (30mm+) for the said distance. The theory is that manufacturers place the buttons with that distance so that customer can shorten the sleeve to a certain degree without moving the buttons too much. However, it seems that whenever the sleeve is shorten, the tailor will move the button *no matter* what and keep that 1 1/4" distance from cuff hem. I wonder if that gives you the idea that the buttons need to be placed further away from hem.
 

WA

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You can't change cut buttonholes.
The distance from the bottom edge varies from tailor to tailor depending upon their lessons. For most, probably 1 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches. Once the holes are cut, and the customer ask for a change, it can different. Custom (bespoke) the buttonholes are not done until the fitting is finished. If the customer changes his mind after that.... Clothes also get pasted along, so again, the measurements can vary.
Buttonholes didn't even show up on MTM and RTW until about twenty years ago. It had been strictly only on bespoke (custom). And today, who uses them, anyway?

Bespoke and Custom is terminology, which has the same meaning, but, from two different countries, the British and American. Asking for custom in Britain is different than in America. Anymore, in both countries, these words are sort of ,sadly, meaningless.
 
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Hebrew Barrister

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You can't change cut buttonholes.
The distance from the bottom edge varies from tailor to tailor depending upon their lessons. For most, probably 1 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches. Once the holes are cut, and the customer ask for a change, it can different. Custom (bespoke) the buttonholes are not done until the fitting is finished. If the customer changes his mind after that.... Clothes also get pasted along, so again, the measurements can vary.
Buttonholes didn't even show up on MTM and RTW until about twenty years ago. It had been strictly only on bespoke (custom). And today, who uses them, anyway?

Bespoke and Custom is terminology, which has the same meaning, but, from two different countries, the British and American. Asking for custom in Britain is different than in America. Anymore, in both countries, these words are sort of ,sadly, meaningless.
On RTW, I hate surgeons cuffs. They make it difficult to adjust sleeve length. Suitsupply needs to knock it off with that.
 

Kyle76

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I’m not talking about the distance from the buttons to the edge of the cuff, I’m referring to the amount of fabric that wraps underneath the buttonholes. There’s not suit fabric underneath the buttonholes. The buttons are sewn on the very edge of the fabric. If the holes were to gap open, you’d be seeing the sleeve lining, not suit fabric, through the gap. I’ve never seen surgeon’s cuffs where there was not suit fabric fully wrapped underneath the buttonholes.
 

Woofa

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I had a problem understanding the issue at first and unfortunately the pic doesn't show it well. If I understand you correctly then you feel the sleeve itself could be enlarged and the buttons then moved over? Not the buttonholes. I would imagine this would affect from the elbow down. Some better pics might help us understand exactly what you mean.
 

Kyle76

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I’m referring to the flap of fabric that is folded below the buttonholes. Normally, that folded piece is considerably longer to at least extend beyond the width of the buttonholes themselves, as indicated by the length of the yellow line.

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Kyle76

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I can't, as I have sent it back for some alteration, but I'd say the part in question is 1/2-5/8ths inch, and as you can probably tell, the buttons are sewn right on the edge of it. Not a huge deal, just contrary to what I am used to and would expect. Not sure why they do it this way.
 
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