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I'll get concerned only when ties achieve breeches-level general unacceptability. Although, now that I think about it, breeches are ripe for an ironic comeback.
I don't like the look of an open-necked shirt with suit, sports jacket or blazer; but I will wear a sports-jacket with a roll-necked jumper in winter. In summer I'd always drop the jacket (an extra layer) rather than the tie, but I know that this is heresy in these fora!I still wear ties, even with sport coats.
These days it seems the situation is reversed, with the odd guy in the coat and tie and the masses dressed as sub-par AmJacks!
I live on a lake where seasonal people represent 90% of the population. As you can imagine, the people attending Sunday church services are very casual. I rarely see anyone in a sport coat let alone a tie.
I know I've told this before (I have very few interesting things in my past, so I just recycle a lot). I joined the trading / investment banking division on UBS in NYC in 1988 where the gentleman running the trading floor was an old Wall Street pro. The unwritten rule (I learned it by watching, it wasn't written down anywhere as far as I knew) was suit and tie and, like, TK167 noted, almost all were grey or navy suits with white or light blue shirts and an extensive array of ties, but still, none that couldn't have come from BB or Paul Stuart....Back in the nineteen seventies when I worked in a very conservative bank, the ranks of dark grey and navy suits were almost indistinguishable, and that was amplified by the fact that virtually everyone wore pale blue or white pinpoint shirts and well shined black cap toed bals. Occasionally some rebel wore an ecru shirt or some #8 wingtips. Ties were another matter. There were repps, polka dots, emblematic, neats, Macclesfields, and even the odd madder paisley. No two were alike. Then in the mid nineteen eighties the Hermès craze was upon us, and gorgeous patterns and electric colors started to appear. ...
What Paul didn't note is that his walk takes him through one of Manhattan's major business district. I usually note about 10% tie-wearers in that area - so not far off from Paul's estimate. Come up to my neighborhood - the Upper East Side - and the number drops to 5% during the week and 1% on weekends (and that's only 'cause I live near a large teaching hospital which seems to have a few older employees who still dress in suits or sport coats and ties).The tie business now addresses a "niche" market. When I walk from the Port Authority in NYC to my 44th St appointments I see 100s of men and can count on one hand the number who are wearing a tie. ...
Wow and I've always assumed it was the sport coat that made my outfit look so "dressed up" to others.Fading Fast, my not summer and not work outfit is Levis, chinos, or cords, a chambray workshirt or a Tee-shirt, and either a sweater or, if it’s cold or wet, a waterproof coat, and I get the same comment! Standards are even lower here than in the city. I tend to look presentable as these fora might view it only a few times a week, sometimes only once! An observation appropriate to your avatar. By merely putting on a watch even the chambray and chinos looks dressier!