Taking things out of context is always a bit dangerous. But certainly a short sleeve shirt and a tie does seem most appropriate as a manager at some time of industrial or semi industrial setting whether it be fast food or a tire store. As someone who has worked across a broad swath of settings I don't disparage those who have those jobs - indeed I applaud those who are willing to work and have enough self respect to take pride in their appearance. As to why one would wear a dress short sleeve shirt - probably because you don't want to habitually roll your sleeves up to work. I used to wear them when I worked in the middle east - with a tie - it was hot there. I guess I felt a little dorky - but it looked better than sweating out my arms or rolling up my sleeves - and more professional than scrubs or a polo shirt.Agree. Can’t imagine an inappropriate line like that would be included.
I like the idea of using a tie with some texture, and would instead suggest cotton knits. Grenadine is on the formal end of the scale, whereas the casual forum described is more in keeping with less expensive cotton knits. And I agree 100% with the suggested colors.Make the tie a solid burgundy grenadine because it will harmonize with almost all of your clothes. For variety, also get a solid navy and perhaps a solid black grenadine. (But it's advisable to wear them one at a time.)
Don't even try to emulate the wardrobes pf teenagers in your workforce. That very rarely is a good thing. Rather, you should be setting the example for them to follow. If you are going to wear a tie, pull on a jacket! Just a thought.It's a very youthful environment (almost everyone I interact with is under 30...I'd say the plurality being teenagers)...so on the rare occasions when people do dress up, it's often in FAR more "fun" colors than I, as an older person, would dare try. I'm talking not just the standard navy pants/white shirt or Khaki pants/blue shirt get ups that the other people my age are wearing. I'm not walking in with periwinkle pants on....that's too fun for me.
And I get that I shouldnt just wear a tie just because I want to...but like I said...the people above me generally wear a shirt and tie, no jacket. I know that this is frowned upon for an office...but again...we're all mostly back and forth outside and often never go back to an office after we leave...so, I think it's just a matter of convenience at a very casual place.
But it can be right. It can be made right so easily....I wear a tie with no coat all the time as a teacher. I know it’s not right
Chip, there's a quick way out of your dilemma. Here's how: wear a "virtual jacket."It’s way too hot most of the time for the coat....It’s a dilemma for sure.
That's the one. Thank you so much for your help!I think this is the link you're talking about:
See post #3
I've been trying to make that same point for years.I know a farmer, has his heart set on being a CEO. And a college buddy now a CEO who really wants to be a farmer. Aspiration is subjective. A fast food manager can be a calling, can be a step or an end. Up to the individual. Not for us to decry ambition no matter the trade. I'm hoping Andy's book doesn't say what you say it does.