Why was there never a hot climate version of the stroller, etc.?

Discussion in 'Andy's Fashion Forum' started by Skipperino, May 17, 2019 at 1:33 PM.

  1. Skipperino

    Skipperino Starting Member

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    Well; there is obviously a version of black tie where the jacket is off-white, (plus a tendency towards wear of cummerbunds rather than weskits)...so my question for the more historically minded denizems on AA is...why isn't there a version like this for semi-formal day wear? Or would the equivalent back in the day just have been a lightweight linen suit, cut the same? Also, on that note, why isn't there one for white tie or morning dress? I've certainly seen pictures of men in the mid to late Victorian era sporting frock coats in warmer climes that were light coloured and presumably made out of linen or seersucker or some other light fabric, so it's surprising somewhat that this hasn't carried on to the morning coat.
     
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  2. Matt S

    Matt S Connoisseur

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    Dressing for warm weather in England rarely crossed people's minds until a couple decades ago. The off-white dinner jacket was intended for wear in colonies and never in England. In the early 20th century the backless waistcoat became popular for warmer weather for evening wear.

    There is a warm-weather version of morning dress: the grey morning suit. It is typically made in a lighter cloth (like a 12-14 oz wool instead of an 18 oz, though now everything is lighter). People traditionally wore heavy suits year-round in England. If a traditional English tailor made a suit of a lightweight cloth, the innards were still heavy.

    People weren't wearing black lounge (the English name for the Stroller) in the colonies. They were wearing linen suits during the day and ivory dinner jackets at night. There was never a need for a colonial version of white tie apart from the backless waistcoat since people didn't have as much need for dressing as formally in the colonies. The ivory dinner jacket (and black or midnight blue mohair dinner jackets) would have been enough.
     
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  3. Skipperino

    Skipperino Starting Member

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    What about the Frock Coat?
     
  4. Oldsarge

    Oldsarge Moderator and Bon Vivant

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    Frock coats were the uniform of capitalists in the U.S. until the early XX Century when they were replaced by the lounge suit. While frock coats do exist as part of formal wear, unless you have a need for formal wear (a regular at Ascot?) they're pretty much costume. Amusing but . . . odd.
     
  5. richard warren

    richard warren Active Member with Corp. Privileges

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    There is reason to believe that the type of people who would have worn morning suits as every day attire in England or the northern US in the last 19th and early 20th centuries would have worn white linen suits in the less temperate parts of the British Empire or the southern US.
     
  6. Matt S

    Matt S Connoisseur

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    Like I said, people weren’t concerned with dressing for warm weather in that era.
     
  7. Skipperino

    Skipperino Starting Member

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    What I'm getting at as regards the frock coat is asking why there was a ''hot climate" version of the frock coat -as the various mid-19th century photographs of men dressed in linen frockcoats in sub- and tropical climates can testify. I'll see if I can find a few and post links.
     
  8. Flanderian

    Flanderian Connoisseur

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    Hot climate version of the stroller ;) -

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  9. eagle2250

    eagle2250 Connoisseur/Curmudgeon Emeritus - Moderator

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    ^^
    There is just something almost magical about central Florida that persuades a fair number of we sartorial 'stick in the mud's' to relax our wardrobing standards to make way in our closets for just one more Hawaiian shirt! Tori Richards is my kind of formal wear designer! LOL. ;)
     
  10. Hebrew Barrister

    Hebrew Barrister Senior Member

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    I am originally from South Florida. Go south enough and the Hawaiian shirts turn into guyaberas, which I admit when can look quite nice when wisely chosen.
     

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